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		<title>By: mvass</title>
		<link>http://mvass.edublogs.org/2008/10/15/class-blogging-reflections/comment-page-1/#comment-142</link>
		<dc:creator>mvass</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Oct 2008 19:35:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Phew! 

Not used to (or comfortable) with debating .... yet :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Phew! </p>
<p>Not used to (or comfortable) with debating &#8230;. yet <img src='http://mvass.edublogs.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: jaye richards</title>
		<link>http://mvass.edublogs.org/2008/10/15/class-blogging-reflections/comment-page-1/#comment-141</link>
		<dc:creator>jaye richards</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Oct 2008 19:21:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don&#039;t worry I&#039;m  not offended, no reason to be...its a good debate. And  I&#039;m enjoying working my way through your dissertation...

Jaye</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t worry I&#8217;m  not offended, no reason to be&#8230;its a good debate. And  I&#8217;m enjoying working my way through your dissertation&#8230;</p>
<p>Jaye</p>
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		<title>By: mvass</title>
		<link>http://mvass.edublogs.org/2008/10/15/class-blogging-reflections/comment-page-1/#comment-140</link>
		<dc:creator>mvass</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Oct 2008 17:45:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello Jaye,

I didn&#039;t think for a minute that you were being critical of my dissertation .... and wouldn&#039;t have expected you to have read it :)

I had been writing my post and took a break to wander around the blogosphere. When I read the comment re &#039;qualitative versus quantatitive&#039; research and the value of one over the other in investigating the use of technology to raise attainment, I typed my thoughts and pressed publish ... then went off to have something to eat. 

No offence was taken, and, of course, I respect your methodological stance and preference ..... and now I worry that you were offended by my mention of it in my post :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello Jaye,</p>
<p>I didn&#8217;t think for a minute that you were being critical of my dissertation &#8230;. and wouldn&#8217;t have expected you to have read it <img src='http://mvass.edublogs.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>I had been writing my post and took a break to wander around the blogosphere. When I read the comment re &#8216;qualitative versus quantatitive&#8217; research and the value of one over the other in investigating the use of technology to raise attainment, I typed my thoughts and pressed publish &#8230; then went off to have something to eat. </p>
<p>No offence was taken, and, of course, I respect your methodological stance and preference &#8230;.. and now I worry that you were offended by my mention of it in my post <img src='http://mvass.edublogs.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: jaye richards</title>
		<link>http://mvass.edublogs.org/2008/10/15/class-blogging-reflections/comment-page-1/#comment-139</link>
		<dc:creator>jaye richards</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Oct 2008 16:17:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the point I was trying to make in that post was with regard to using technology to raise attainment. I do feel that with the optimist rhetoric from NGO&#039;s rampant when it comes to the supposed benefits of ICT it is important to be able to quantify attainment gains and show statistically that these are linked to the intervention. As a psychology teacher, of course I recognise the value of qualitative research, and believe I made the point about this and its relationship to achievement in my post. When it comes to investment and best value, however, I do believe that good quantitative research is vital to support such investment and ICT in schools is a very good case in point. There is a plethora of qualitative research, but not much quantitative measurement in this field. I&#039;m currently reviewing the literature in this area specifically again as it&#039;s too lengthy for the journal we expect to publish in later this year...

 I&#039;m sorry if you felt my comments were critical of your own work - they were certainly not meant to be. They just reflect my own methodological ( and fellow psychologists might say, behavioural) stance and preference.

Jaye

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the point I was trying to make in that post was with regard to using technology to raise attainment. I do feel that with the optimist rhetoric from NGO&#8217;s rampant when it comes to the supposed benefits of ICT it is important to be able to quantify attainment gains and show statistically that these are linked to the intervention. As a psychology teacher, of course I recognise the value of qualitative research, and believe I made the point about this and its relationship to achievement in my post. When it comes to investment and best value, however, I do believe that good quantitative research is vital to support such investment and ICT in schools is a very good case in point. There is a plethora of qualitative research, but not much quantitative measurement in this field. I&#8217;m currently reviewing the literature in this area specifically again as it&#8217;s too lengthy for the journal we expect to publish in later this year&#8230;</p>
<p> I&#8217;m sorry if you felt my comments were critical of your own work &#8211; they were certainly not meant to be. They just reflect my own methodological ( and fellow psychologists might say, behavioural) stance and preference.</p>
<p>Jaye</p>
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		<title>By: mvass</title>
		<link>http://mvass.edublogs.org/2008/10/15/class-blogging-reflections/comment-page-1/#comment-138</link>
		<dc:creator>mvass</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Oct 2008 18:58:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for that, Cassie! It is simple but a very important point. Making time for blogging isn&#039;t for everyone, but i think that the benefits it brings far out weigh the extra time involved. And I also think that, as time went on, the blog &#039;ran itself&#039; as it became an important part of our class learning .... and as you also witnessed, the primary 7&#039;s became the experts and ended up taking the lead :)

I&#039;m loving keeping up with your own adventures on the 5L/W blog ..... the &#039;adopt a pet&#039; idea is great :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for that, Cassie! It is simple but a very important point. Making time for blogging isn&#8217;t for everyone, but i think that the benefits it brings far out weigh the extra time involved. And I also think that, as time went on, the blog &#8216;ran itself&#8217; as it became an important part of our class learning &#8230;. and as you also witnessed, the primary 7&#8217;s became the experts and ended up taking the lead <img src='http://mvass.edublogs.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>I&#8217;m loving keeping up with your own adventures on the 5L/W blog &#8230;.. the &#8216;adopt a pet&#8217; idea is great <img src='http://mvass.edublogs.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Miss Law</title>
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		<dc:creator>Miss Law</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Oct 2008 15:35:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>p.s. Loving the slideshow, I may use your links to Curriculum for Excellence at some point! :P</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>p.s. Loving the slideshow, I may use your links to Curriculum for Excellence at some point! <img src='http://mvass.edublogs.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif' alt=':P' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Miss Law</title>
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		<dc:creator>Miss Law</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Oct 2008 15:34:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi,

I think you&#039;re right about why your blog stood the test of time! I think the main reason (apart from the one you gave) is that you wanted to do it. Sounds simple I know but I think it&#039;s really important. 

I remember thinking at the start of placement &quot;I&#039;d never have time to do that!&quot; and I think a lot of teachers might share that view. I&#039;ve kept the blog as an online diary and I&#039;ve kept it up as best I can. It does take a lot of time but I want to do it. It&#039;s the sort of thing that if you didn&#039;t want to do it, and you were doing it because you thought you should, you would never find time to do it.

Just a thought! :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi,</p>
<p>I think you&#8217;re right about why your blog stood the test of time! I think the main reason (apart from the one you gave) is that you wanted to do it. Sounds simple I know but I think it&#8217;s really important. </p>
<p>I remember thinking at the start of placement &#8220;I&#8217;d never have time to do that!&#8221; and I think a lot of teachers might share that view. I&#8217;ve kept the blog as an online diary and I&#8217;ve kept it up as best I can. It does take a lot of time but I want to do it. It&#8217;s the sort of thing that if you didn&#8217;t want to do it, and you were doing it because you thought you should, you would never find time to do it.</p>
<p>Just a thought! <img src='http://mvass.edublogs.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: mvass</title>
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		<dc:creator>mvass</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Oct 2008 10:13:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello David!

Yes, I&#039;m aware of the ferocious arguments around the methodologies - spent hours and hours pouring over such stuff in preparation for undertaking my own wee bit of research :) After loads of thought, I decided that a &#039;case study&#039; approach was the most appropriate for my chosen area of study. A couple of quotes below .... 

&quot;Cohen et al (2007) add that it is important for events and situations to be allowed to speak for themselves, rather than to be interpreted, evaluated or judged by the researcher.&quot;

&quot;Although a ‘Case Study’ approach is mainly concerned with qualitative data, Cohen et al (2007) state that, in order to probe beneath the surface of the school’s structure, to examine the less overt aspects of the school’s culture(s) and subcultures, it is important to combine quantitative and qualitative methodologies for data collection. The two methodologies are explained in this table:

QUANTITATIVE                  -  -               QUALITATIVE
APPROACHES		-  -               APPROACHES
Numbers/statistics	             -  -               Words/illuminative
Pre-determined	             -  -                Open-ended/responsive
Measuring		-  -	      Portraying
Patterns/regularities	-  -                Uniqueness
Comparing		-  -	        Portraying
Describing		-  -	      Explaining/interpreting&quot;

So I did use a mixture of both, although most of the disssertation focused on the qualitative data.

I think that both Jaye&#039;s and Derek&#039;s research is (without a doubt) very important! I was bewildered, though, when Jaye wrote on her blog:


&quot;I’ve been saying for a while now that the problem with much of the educational research produce is that it’s qualitative rather than quantitative. Not that investigating the so-called soft indicators is a bad thing as they do relate to achievement in its broadest sense, but being able to show by careful measurement and statistical analysis that an intervention has a positive effect on attainment  for pupils of all abilities is, for me anyway, the more valuable of the two types.&quot;

So much so that I cut short the post I was writing to ponder on the above ...... I&#039;ll need to create a &#039;Take 2&#039; post on blogging reflections to complete what I wanted to say :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello David!</p>
<p>Yes, I&#8217;m aware of the ferocious arguments around the methodologies &#8211; spent hours and hours pouring over such stuff in preparation for undertaking my own wee bit of research <img src='http://mvass.edublogs.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  After loads of thought, I decided that a &#8216;case study&#8217; approach was the most appropriate for my chosen area of study. A couple of quotes below &#8230;. </p>
<p>&#8220;Cohen et al (2007) add that it is important for events and situations to be allowed to speak for themselves, rather than to be interpreted, evaluated or judged by the researcher.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;Although a ‘Case Study’ approach is mainly concerned with qualitative data, Cohen et al (2007) state that, in order to probe beneath the surface of the school’s structure, to examine the less overt aspects of the school’s culture(s) and subcultures, it is important to combine quantitative and qualitative methodologies for data collection. The two methodologies are explained in this table:</p>
<p>QUANTITATIVE                  &#8211;  &#8211;               QUALITATIVE<br />
APPROACHES		-  &#8211;               APPROACHES<br />
Numbers/statistics	             &#8211;  &#8211;               Words/illuminative<br />
Pre-determined	             &#8211;  &#8211;                Open-ended/responsive<br />
Measuring		-  -	      Portraying<br />
Patterns/regularities	-  &#8211;                Uniqueness<br />
Comparing		-  -	        Portraying<br />
Describing		-  -	      Explaining/interpreting&#8221;</p>
<p>So I did use a mixture of both, although most of the disssertation focused on the qualitative data.</p>
<p>I think that both Jaye&#8217;s and Derek&#8217;s research is (without a doubt) very important! I was bewildered, though, when Jaye wrote on her blog:</p>
<p>&#8220;I’ve been saying for a while now that the problem with much of the educational research produce is that it’s qualitative rather than quantitative. Not that investigating the so-called soft indicators is a bad thing as they do relate to achievement in its broadest sense, but being able to show by careful measurement and statistical analysis that an intervention has a positive effect on attainment  for pupils of all abilities is, for me anyway, the more valuable of the two types.&#8221;</p>
<p>So much so that I cut short the post I was writing to ponder on the above &#8230;&#8230; I&#8217;ll need to create a &#8216;Take 2&#8242; post on blogging reflections to complete what I wanted to say <img src='http://mvass.edublogs.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: David Noble</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Noble</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Oct 2008 08:19:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Margaret

Get on the EdD and immerse yourself in the sometimes ferocious arguments around positivism and interpretivism, and qualitative/quantitative methodologies!  In our post-modern times, many researchers mix methods.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Margaret</p>
<p>Get on the EdD and immerse yourself in the sometimes ferocious arguments around positivism and interpretivism, and qualitative/quantitative methodologies!  In our post-modern times, many researchers mix methods.</p>
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